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Pantera

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Re: Եկեղեցասիրաց ե
« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2006, 07:51:32 AM »
Petros jan, HAE-i arajnorde` Hamlet yeghbayrn im knqahayrn e, im hogevor hayre u mer entaniqe gtnvum e henc nra hogevor hovanavorutyan tak. Inz chisht haskacir, yes i dems qez vochinch chunem, der hakarake` shat em cavum, vor arite chem unecel der vaghuc shpum hastatel estegh bolori het u ayd tvum, nayev, qez het. Inz miayn mek harc e tanjum estegh. Inchu inqd linelov HAE-i andam, tekuz nakhkin, ays  kaskacyal harce tesnelov zruyc ches unecel Hamlet yeghbor het? inchu ches toghel, vor na qo kaskacanqnern imana u zruceq dra masin, amen inch liner aveli parz iravichakum? Inqs` yete gtnvei meki hogevor hovanavorutyan tak, edqan ogut qaghei nranic /hogevor yev ayln/, edqan shnorhakal linei nranic... u hankarc mi hat mi kaskaceli ban nkatei, andzayn chei herana u nranc anune kaskacanqi tak chei dni, ayl` kgnayi u ankeghc zruyc kunenayi hete u vor amen inch shat lav haskanayi, parz liner u nor voroshei aneliqs. Petros jan, yes vstah em, vor du lav andznavorutyun es, sakayn ays qayld inz shat tarorinak tvac.
Mi guce inch vor ban chgitem kam chem haskanum?
  14:)

Petros

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Re: Եկեղեցասիրաց ե
« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2006, 09:47:56 AM »
HAE nshanakum e - HAY ARAKELAKAN EKEGHECI.
Es Hamletin erbeq chem chanachel andzamp. Indz entexic vochinch cher vanum, kani vor es chunei anhrajhesht imacutyun. Bayc erb liovin mta HAE-kyanq, ayd jhamanak haskaca, vor Ekeghecasirac Eghbayrakcutyun@ (EE-n) anjatvel e HAE-ic. Dranic heto es imaca, vor Mehrujhan Babajanyan@ heracel e ev HAE-c, ev EE-ic u steghcum e iren hamar mi nor aghand. Nuyn twakatagirn e unecel Ashot eghbayr@. Inches hima nayem ays xmbin, imanalov, vor Mahrujhan Babajanyan@ eghel e amenaglxavor@ EE-um.
Im harcin chpatasxanecir, kxndrei, vor patasxaneir.
Ev mi harc el tam mi angamic: inchpes es haskanum HOGEVOR HOR imast@. Na inch der e katarum ko hogevor kyanqum?
Shnorhakalutyun.

Pantera

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Re: Եկեղեցասիրաց ե
« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2006, 10:10:23 AM »
HAE- i skhalis hamar` neroghutyun, grel em` EE-i pokharen.
Isk inch kap uner qo gracnere im verevi posti het, Petros jan? Du qo harci pataskhann es pntrum, vore verevum arden tvel ei, bayc im tvac harceric voch meki ches pataskhanel.
Chnayac temayic sheghvum enq, bayc kpataskhanem, vor knqahayre` hogevor hayr e, vorn uni kensabanakan hor iravunqnerin havasar dastiarakutyan khndir. Hogevor snunde` knqahor  partakanutyunn e. Hogevor hayre hogevor kyanqi ughekcorde petq e lini, usucani sanikin u chisht chanaparh arajarki` Astcun aveli lav haskanalu u chanachelu hamar.
Ches karcum, vor ayn poqrik khndir che?
Karajarkei mi nor topic bacel  ays temayi shurj, yete aseliqner shat kan.

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Re: Եկեղեցասիրաց
« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2006, 12:03:25 PM »
Իսկ ՀԱԵ-ի խորհուրրդների մասին գիտե՞ս:
Pantera jan, es parzapes harcnum em qez.

Pantera

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Re: Եկեղեցասիրաց
« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2006, 07:29:00 AM »
Ay Petros jan, inchu es shrjancum im harcere u misht qonn araj berum? Inchu inqd ches pataskhanum im tvac harcerin u pahanjum es qo harceri pataskhane?

Petros

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Re: Եկեղեցասիրաց
« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2006, 10:42:26 AM »
Es Hamletin erbeq chem chanachel. U im lsac@ aynpisi mard e asel, vor es nuynisk chem el karoghanum mtacel, vor na stum e kam chapazancnum. Kan shat argumentner, voronq apacucum en, vor EE-n gorcum e HAE-ic durs.

Evs mek harc: ov e orhnel Vasulayi grac girq@, vor Hamlet@ hamaroren hamozum e mardkanc, vor na margare e. Nshem, vor Vehapari orhnutyun@ chka. Kxndrei, vor patasxanes harceris hertakanutyamb.
Shnorhakal em.  30:)
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Pantera

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Re: Եկեղեցասիրաց
« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2006, 11:19:32 AM »
Petros jan, du nran ches chanachum, angam, yete yeghel es EE andam. Ches chanachum qo arajnordin, bayc havatum es khosakcutyunnerin. Bayc che vor, hnaravor e, vor, tekuz shat mterim, asoghe mi ban skhal e haskacel? Mi guce na chgiter inch vor ban? CHES GTNUM, VOR AVELI LAV ER AR YERES PARZEL AYD HARCE` POKHARENE NMAN HAYTARARUTYUNNER KATARELE? Che vor Astvac chshmartutyun e yev chshmartutyune` Astvac. Inchu ches pntrum ayn ayl` henvum es asekosneri vra? Kaskac e mtel hogid? gna, harcru, khosir, imacir u nor qaylerd voroshir. Mite menq enqan khelaci enq, vor karogh enq ararqnere qnnadatel aranc nerka linelu entegh, aranc akanates kinelu "skhalmunqin", myusneri pataskhannern el gushakel u dranic yezrakacutyunneri gal.
Mite khosakcutyunnern u bambasanqnern aysor argumentner en hamarvum?
Chnayac yes KRKIN chstaca im harceri pataskhannere, bayc qo harcerin espes kpataskhanem` INCHU CHES DIMUM HARCERD HENC NRAN` UMIC VOR DJGOHUM ES?
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Petros

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Re: Եկեղեցասիրաց
« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2006, 12:28:07 AM »
Es hogneci qez het xosaluc, Pantera, du im harcerin chpatasxanelov - harcer es talis. Du menak urishnerin es tesnum qnnadateluc, meghadreluc, pnoveluc, sakayn inkd eir erbemn da anum. Togh Hamlet@ ga estegh es iren kharcnem. Sa mi zrucaran e, vortegh na chka, inchpes harcnem? Isk inch verabervum e erexayin ocelun, apa na ocel e krojordus. Ev es bolorovin chem kaskacum krojs lrjutyn vra. Parzape piti avelacnem, vor krojordis voch te marmnapes e hivandacac eghel, ayl hogevor el: na char hoginer er tesnum, voronq vaxecnum ein iran, u marmnakan hivadutyun@ ekel e miayn ayd patcherov. Hima el piti ases, vor Hamleti het gna parzabanem?
Uremn mi qani herdzvacutyna argumentner nerkayacnem EE-i koghmic:

1. Na mardkanc havakum e HAE-i anvan tak, bayc gorcum e inknuruyn. Menak asum e, vor knunk@, haghordutyun@, psak@ ev ayln Ekeghecum e arvum, isk mnacac baner@ - qaroz, aghotk ev ayln EE-i eghbayrnern en anum. Ev, nranq imanalov, vor goyutyun unen bazum miutyunner, voch mekin chen asum, vor gnan entegh qarozner lselu ev gorcelu anmijapes HAE-ic ners, ayl irenk en ed amen@ katarum. (Da cheghav heranal, herdzvel?).

2. Hamozvac kerpov grker en hratarakum u bajhanum jhoghovrdin, Amenayn Katoghikosi orhnutyun@ chunenelov, kam chxndrelov. Ev ka mi girq, vor@ ahavor e henc arajin isk nerkayacumic "Chshmarit kyanq Astco mej" heghinak Vasula Rayden. Vasulan ibr nor dari marga r e u Krostosic margareutyunner e stanum. BAYC!!!!!! Inchpes en ed "Hamletner@" hamardzakvum vstahabar taracel ayd grqi hambav@, chnenalov HAE-i ARAJNORDI - Katoghikosi, orhnutyun@? Ardyok chi nshanakum, vor nranq inqnaglux en ev molorecnox? Vasulaiy girq@ sarsapeli vtang e parunakum ir mej, vorovhetev mard chi karogh vstah linel ayd grqi chshmartutyan vra.

3. EE-n shat grger e hratarakum ev xorhurd talis ir sireli hoti hamar, sakayn dranc poqr tokosn e kazmum haykakan@, voronq orhnvac en ekeghecu koghmic. Harc e arajanum, ardyuq da HAE-i taniqi tak gorcogh xumb e, vor hequm ev arhamarhum e Katoghikosi - HAE-i orhnutyun@. Ha de, EE-n ir arajnordn uni, el inchin e petq Katoghikosin@?

Karcim em bav e bacahaytel EE-i gorcuneutyun@ ev nrac inqnaberabar kam mtacvac herqvac linl@. Ete sranic heto el piti pashtpanoghakan xosqer gtnvi mardkanc mot, uremn da tgitutyan nshan e, kam el mardkanc ughegh@ lav lvacel en.
Der aysqan@.

Pantera

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Re: Եկեղեցասիրաց
« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2006, 01:56:31 AM »
Petros jan, yete hognum es inz het khoselov` voch voq qez dranum chi stipum kam partadrum. Yes el hognum em anhimn pnovumner lseluc, bayc payqarum em chshmartutyan hamar. Cuyc tur im qnnadatutyunnere` urishnerin uxxvac, vor inz qnnadat es anvanum. Yete khosqd verabervum er ayn qahanayi topicin u yete hishum es` yes, angam chei el nshel voch yekeghecu yev voch el` qahanayi anun u yes chei qnnadatum, ayl` harcnum ei mijis viravoranqe himnavorelu tuylatrutyune, vori hamar khorhurd stanalu pokharen` qnnadatutyan arjanaca. Porzecir inqd inz qnnadatel u hima el porzum es der da anel.
Yes im harce ays EE-i temayi shurj tvel em aaaaamena skzbum u der voch mi pataskhan chem stacel` hazar angam ayn krknelov u du uzum es hima inz asel, te inchu em anspar harcer talis` chpataskhanelov qo harcerin. Bayc ari u tes, vor im harcere bazmazan u anspar chen, ayl` mekn e, vor du shrjancum es amen angam. Miak harcs yeghel e, te INCHU INQD CHES KHOSEL U DJGOHUTYUND AR YERES CHES NERKAYACREL` POKHARENE NMAN ANHIMN HAYTARARUTYUNNER U ANVANAKUMNER ANELOV? Mi guce noric sra pataskhane chstanam, qani vor du tsanot ches Hamlet yeghbore? bayc hima kxosem qo posti masin`
shat em cavum qrojordud hamar, Astvac nran aroghjutyun ta u Ir dzerqerum pahi misht. Sakayn, havata, vor quyrd el skhalvelu hnaravorutyun uni` inchpes bolors. Yes chaseci, vor qrojd khosqe kaskacanqi tak dnes, ayl aseci, vor gnas u inqd chshtes, yete edpes cavum es qrojordud hamar, viravorvac es inch vor bani hamar kam yete edpes nvirvac es yeghel jamanakin EE-in... Mite skhal ban em asum kam djvar ban em asum haskanalu hamar, vor du noric ays anhimn argumntnerd u harcerd forumin es uxxum poxarene` henc EE-i het chshtelu ?
Tgitutyun gites inchn em hamarum? voch te pashpanoghakan dirqe, ayl` tikunqic harvacoghi dirqe.
Tvacd argumentneric bolorn el, ankhtir,  bambasanqneri himnaman vra er, vori hamar shat zarmaca. Amboghj argumentnerid mej chkar qo nerkayutyunn u voch mi konkret u himnavor apacuyc, baci asekosneric. Chishtn asac`karcum ei, te tghamardik nman bambasanqnerin teghiq talu pokharen` porzum en chshtel ayn andznapes u  voch te oderum savarnel` noric taracelov anhimn bambasanqnere.
Hamlet yeghbor het du khndir unes, yev voch te` na, vor ga qez het estegh hashiv nsti. Isk pokharene ayd khndird lucelu henc nra het` porzum es lucel ayn forumnerum kam anteghyak mardkanc het` narnc havatqe pnovelov. Inch es karcum, mite chisht chanaparhi vra es? Inchu e quyrd EE-i mej der, yete edpisi "skhalmunq" e tesel? inchu chi heranum nrancic? inchu henc na chi zrucel ayd masin u djgohutyune haytnel ar yeres?

Krkin u krkin` im posteri bovandakutyune mekn e, vor porzvum e shrjancvel.
Isk EE-i hamar...vochinch, asum en, halacvum e chshmartutyune!
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Petros

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Re: Եկեղեցասիրաց
« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2006, 08:41:49 AM »
Hima inch es uzum asel, vor EE-n voch mi dzevov chi heracel HAE-ic? Inkd kez mi xabir. Ete du sranq nayum es vorpes pnovanq, bambasanq, qnnadatutyun, apa problem@ qo mej e, qanzi amen ban estegh himnvac e. Du inqd qez hamarum es, vor du HAE-i zavak es? (xosq@ sra masin chei bacel, bayc inqd sheghum tvecir).
Ete es sa grum em forumum chi nshanakum bambasum em, qav lici. Es teghekacnum em, vor EE-n astichanabar anjatvum e Chshmarit Ekeghecuc. Hetaqrqrvi umaci te inch e bambasanq@, knnadatutyun@ ev ayln.

Uzum em avelacnel 4-rd sheghum@:

4. Hogevorakanutyun dzernadrutyun chunenalov "Hamletner@" SURB MYURON@ dzerkov qsel e erexayin aroghjacnelu hamar. Te vorteghic nranc Myuron, vor mi hat el ksen. Ardyuq sa inqnaglux kam anmit ararmunq che? Kam aveli shut srbapghcutyun.

Hima 100-rd angam patasxanem harcid aveli manracnelov: rs chem gnum Hamleti mot harcnelu, te inchu e na aydpes anum, qanzi inqs lav gitem inchu. Ete indz hetaqrqir liner ira karciq@, es iranic aranc ko aselu kharcnei. Inqd asa, Pantera, inchov kogner im xoseln ira het? Vochinchov. Mievnuyn e na vovhinvh vher karogh gtnel ardaranalu.

Isk inch veraberum e, vor asum es chshmartutyun@ misht el halacvel e, apa kasem, vor es depqum chshmartutyun@ vhi halacvum, ayl herdzvacqn e halacvum. Karda 4 punkter@, voronq himnavorum en asacs. Isk ete voreve ban anhimnavorvac em asel, konkretacru ev konkret cuyc tur, te vorn e anhimn.

Ay ete qez sovoracrac linein Ekeghecu patmutyun@, apa kimanayir, vor grov payqarel@ halacanq che, ayl ujhov payqareln e halacanq. Pantera jan, lav karda gracs 4 punkter@ ev hetaqrqrvi dranc masin voch te EE-ic ayl HAE-ic. Es nuynpes, ahavor vatanum ei, erb asum ein, vor EE-n anjatvac e HAE-ic, bayc heto, xor@ dzevov erb hetaqrqrveci, haskaca, te inchqan aghchatvac baner en. Es qez dem ban chem grum, ayl molorecnoghneri dem. Heriq e jhoghovrdin xaben. Ete menq chtaracenq chshmarit havatqn u cuyc tanq ev zgushacnenq molorecnoghneric, apa ktujhi miayn jhoghovurd@. 
Harganqners.